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PostPosted: 26 Sep 2013, 01:27 
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I don't understand how this can happen. Hady is a goalkeeper, but he played in the midfield. I had a legal lineup registered, and I should not be penalized just because the game code plays a goalkeeper in the midfield.


I certainly believe you, but I don't know that it would be fair to Leotar to give the result you got since you had a player outside of the rules. Definitely unfortunate, and I am sure no ill will towards you for it, but I think the fair response is to leave that particular match 0-3.

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PostPosted: 29 Sep 2013, 04:24 
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Just a heads up, my u23 att was just sold on instant transfer and I will not have a replacement for tomorrow. I am playing as young a replacement as I can, but my lineup will be ineligible... Sorry.

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Celtic played an illegal formation (119k 29yo), but it doesn't matter.

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Celtic played an illegal formation (119k 29yo), but it doesn't matter.

i am updating score 4-1 to 4-0
goal difference may be important

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Was reg to me as away i accepted is this his fault for reggin it or mine for accepting

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Ev wrote:
Celtic played an illegal formation (119k 29yo), but it doesn't matter.

i am updating score 4-1 to 4-0
goal difference may be important


WHY 4-0 ? ACCORDING THE TOURNAMENT RULES SHOULD BE 3-0... ESPECIALLY CAUSE "goal difference may be important" ;-)
"6) Every match in which one team brakes these rules will be registered 3-0 for the opponent! "

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PostPosted: 30 Sep 2013, 10:43 
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didn't realise it was a YFT matchday .. my bad :-) anyway as you said result doesn't affect the outcome

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Fatih Terim wrote:
Ev wrote:
Celtic played an illegal formation (119k 29yo), but it doesn't matter.

i am updating score 4-1 to 4-0
goal difference may be important


WHY 4-0 ? ACCORDING THE TOURNAMENT RULES SHOULD BE 3-0... ESPECIALLY CAUSE "goal difference may be important" ;-)
"6) Every match in which one team brakes these rules will be registered 3-0 for the opponent! "


Surely has to be changed to 3-0? We have all had goals taken away because of it already!

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Typically when the opponent uses an illegal lineup it is detrimental to the team that follows the rules. However, in this instance that team still won by 3 goals. I think changing the match to 3-0 would hurt the tourney. Leaving it 4-1 doesn't hurt the team with the illegal line up. Justice, in this instance seems to be taking the 1 goal of the "cheating" team away even though the letter of the rules states otherwise.

That being said, it could just be a typo on Fatih's part.

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Was reg to me as away i accepted is this his fault for reggin it or mine for accepting



So,in that case who must lose 3-0?
Bobwalski answer that too! :)

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Typically when the opponent uses an illegal lineup it is detrimental to the team that follows the rules. However, in this instance that team still won by 3 goals. I think changing the match to 3-0 would hurt the tourney. Leaving it 4-1 doesn't hurt the team with the illegal line up. Justice, in this instance seems to be taking the 1 goal of the "cheating" team away even though the letter of the rules states otherwise.

That being said, it could just be a typo on Fatih's part.

I thought like that
If you have problem about that i can change that
And there is one more special case
if a team wins 7-1 and opponnent used a illegal formation, what should we do?

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Was reg to me as away i accepted is this his fault for reggin it or mine for accepting

it is not important to me.
you have home advantage :P
but if you say so, i can handle it.

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"RULES" - THAT I THINK GOOD AND CLEAR ANSWER FOR "Celtic AG. Stella ILLEGAL FORMATION" CASE, "one more special cases" AND OTHER COMPLICATIONS. CAUSE IN MY MIND IF ONE OR BOTH MANAGERS BREAK RULES - FOR THAT TOURNAMENT THAT MATCH DIDN'T EXIST AT ALL AND YOU JUST FULLFILL EMPTY FIELD IN TABLE ACCORDING THE RULES.
AND IF YOU WILL "CORRECT" RULES FOR ONE TEAM YOU WILL PUNISH OTHER TEAMS IN THAT GROUP (NOT DIRECTLY, BUT ANYWAY) CAUSE AS YOU SAY BEFORE "goal difference may be important" FOR ALL TEAMS IN GROUP (UNFORTUNATELY INCLUDING MY TEAM IN THIS CASE).

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I haven't commented further on the Group C situation because I wanted to think about it and we had time before the last group stage match. But the final match is Sunday! So here are my thoughts:

Borussia is out if both Zhenis and Stella win, in if either draws or loses. No tension there. A loss for Borussia and win for Stella means a tie for points, but a loss drops Borussias GD and a win raises Stellas to make Stellas result from last round insignificant.

If Stella loses or draws they are out. It gets tricky if Stella wins by 2 and Zhenis draws then both have 10 points and +7 GD. Stella would promote because of head 2 head, but only because they got an extra goal from the recent illegal match. Personally, I think if this situation arises Zhenis should get to go on. If Stella wins by 3, this won't be an issue anyways. I do see the argument on both sides though.

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I agree with all you saying above.
After all remain only one question (mostly rhetorical):
Why break rules if in situation when GD have important for promotion (last mentioned scenario) You think that "additional" goal should not be taken into account?

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I would agree with the above - no point in having a 4-0 scoreline if it wont be taken into account when it is most needed.
Easiest solution would be to have a default 3-0 scoreline (as per rules of illegal formations), so nothing can be argued against in the event any scenario outlined by Stephen above.

If necessary, rules can be slightly altered for next seasons tournament to reflect margins by greater than 3 goals in an illegal match.

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Yeah, I like the idea of giving another GS for a winner when they win an illegal match by 3 (or more) goals. The only reason I wouldn't want to go through with it this season is that it isn't what has been stated from the start. If I were Zhenis, I would be really really upset if I lost out for this reason. I think they would have pretty firm ground to be upset. At the risk of further convolution of the rules, I think we should add this for next season.

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After last group round we got Exactly that scenario! :
" It gets tricky if Stella wins by 2 and Zhenis draws then both have 10 points and +7 GD."
Dortmund - Barys 3-3
King faisal - Stella 1-3

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FC SHERIFF USED AN ILLEGAL LINEUP

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