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PostPosted: 19 Jun 2010, 16:52 
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ummmm, you messaged me Thursday and posted Friday... I'm glad 1 day is considered non-responding.

As for my posts, I am unconcerned with my identity being revealed, I have very little to hide or be ashamed of.

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AJ (Olimpija 2B) says: why is everyone all of the sudden asking if he for sale and price?

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PostPosted: 19 Jun 2010, 21:34 
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i am glad that you are proud!
it doesnt matter if youre identity is revealed or not.
you have a lot of influence in this forum but
you are not helping anyway so don't bother.


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PostPosted: 19 Jun 2010, 21:47 
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it's not proud, it's simple fact, the rule is about managers playing their own players above a better player... it prevents manager abuse. This guy isn't playing your player correct, but it interpretative if the other players are better or not... I think Abdas is better, but the second part of that is not met, he is not playing any of his own players, therefore it is not abusive.

However, Brazil's manager atleast scheduled NT friendlies, several managers don't bother to do it.

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PostPosted: 19 Jun 2010, 21:57 
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its not only about "nepotism".
abusing is also ill-management (~domenech).
abusing is not considering requests.
they should do what jatex is doing.


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PostPosted: 19 Jun 2010, 22:34 
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Jatex usually goes beyond the call of duty, far beyond it in my experience.

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PostPosted: 20 Jun 2010, 05:48 
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I think that playing first team is not abusive, maybe lack of managerial skills, as far as it concerns me I would like Fazio who is probably the best future SW available in the game to play some matches but I have nothing to complain about in this case. :cry:

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PostPosted: 20 Jun 2010, 08:27 
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Olimpija wrote:
it's not proud, it's simple fact, the rule is about managers playing their own players above a better player... it prevents manager abuse. This guy isn't playing your player correct, but it interpretative if the other players are better or not... I think Abdas is better, but the second part of that is not met, he is not playing any of his own players, therefore it is not abusive.

However, Brazil's manager atleast scheduled NT friendlies, several managers don't bother to do it.


What i brought up to you is abusing..., would like to post here, possible?

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PostPosted: 20 Jun 2010, 09:15 
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Orologio wrote:
mrp007 wrote:
the manager looks like he may be playig a 1st team in the remaining friendlies. Hey ho
That's a valid decision.


I didn't say it wasn't did I??

All I was doing was stating that sometimes your players don't get the games you expect and there is F**k all you can do about it. Bottom line is this is a GAME. I have never complained to my knowledge of my players not being given games.

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PostPosted: 20 Jun 2010, 10:02 
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crazyfrog wrote:
and neither did the Turkish manager :)

That's why I have another topic of automatic NT friendlies. But sadly, no response from admins.


I brought this up with Nuno at the start of the season. He said it would be implemented once the club system was working OK in case of any problems.

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PostPosted: 20 Jun 2010, 11:19 
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I think some posts are slipping off the topic at least a bit..

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dzenk wrote:
I think some posts are slipping off the topic at least a bit..

Welcome to FG world!
its a world where threads are slipping oftopicwise.
but -almost all- in a civilized manner.


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PostPosted: 20 Jun 2010, 21:13 
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chimpi wrote:
I like very much the fact that the armenian manager is playing my GK in friendlies but it bothers me that he should play youth instead.
There is no reason why a manager must line up youngsters or play friendlies. I prefer them to, but it's no obligation. Furthermore lining up youngsters doesn't always have to be the best strategy for increasing your chances of winning the WC.
So I can confirm this:
Nikolaidis wrote:
I think that playing first team is not abusive
Trying to find the best line up of mature players has never been considered as abusive.

chimpi wrote:
I think this NT system is geting out of hand.
Not more than it used to, in my opinion.

Concerning Abdas:
With Abdas, the question for me is whether Adriel Abdas is better than Luiz Carlos Ceccon. The other players ARE better than Abdas, or were used because they have a different position and it doesn't make sense to line up DFs only. For instance Kaká could have played for this reason, and that's fair to me.
Personally, I prefer Abdas to Ceccon. Second, I know that Abdas has more monetary value than Ceccon. The latter unfortunately is the way people often look at NTs, but that's totally invalid in my opinion. Not the most valuable player has to play. Value doesn't bring any benefit to a NT.
In my opinion Abdas is probably already beter than Ceccon, despite his lower age. But can I unarguably say that he is better objectively? No, but almost. This case would have been interesting enough for me to contact the Brazil manager if somebody had complained about it. And indeed, an admin is trying to get in contact with the manager.

Olimpija wrote:
it's not proud, it's simple fact, the rule is about managers playing their own players above a better player... it prevents manager abuse. This guy isn't playing your player correct, but it interpretative if the other players are better or not... I think Abdas is better, but the second part of that is not met, he is not playing any of his own players, therefore it is not abusive.
Let me explain NT abuse a bit more. I think AJ forgot about some other instances for which we tend to use the same word (NT abuse). For instance the case where none of the manager's own players is involved, but where he gives a player matches as part of a transfer deal. In this case the manager uses the NT to the benefit of his own team even though it is not very visible.

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PostPosted: 20 Jun 2010, 21:32 
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Orologio wrote:
chimpi wrote:
I think this NT system is geting out of hand.
Not more than it used to, in my opinion.

So, it is geting out of hand!

Orologio wrote:
Concerning Abdas:..
Personally, I prefer Abdas to Ceccon. ...And indeed, an admin is trying to get in contact with the manager.

its the first time we have a concensus :)


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