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Marcel Klok | FK Zenit St. Petersburg | Master Admin | Forum Moderator

can we get an explanation, this kind off accusation can not be whiped under the carpet with "Personal communication has occurred. No action will be taken."
either one of the two managers is right or there is something else to explain

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Some team

I'll explain the whole thing in a few minutes, as I finish off the second message. It's always nice to copy paste parts of a message and then change the message, since that is not what I said... Let me give the whole messages.

There is several reasons for my messages, and I'll admit I was quite angry. So let's start from the beginning. I have 2 kids I guess can play on the Israeli NT, one is a waged 17 yr old, barely with over 100 mains. The other is a decent MF.

Neither played today, nor were actually on the NT. When I looked at who did play. I saw the Israeli's manager's own players occupying 2 spots. One who definitively did deserve to be there, the other who did not, I think a 7k 18 yr old over a waged 17 yr old. The second thing I noticed was my own player, the waged 17 yr old, was dropped from the NT to make room for the rest of his roster. I'm sure it's still there, so it can be looked at, but I must be the only one who finds his team conveniently weird with the future Israel has.

Let's look at who is called up and who is not:

Not Called Up:
http://www.footballglory.com/players/pl ... p?id=28185 , http://www.footballglory.com/players/pl ... p?id=29509 , http://www.footballglory.com/players/pl ... p?id=31368 (599 16 yr old) ,
http://www.footballglory.com/players/pl ... p?id=27177 ,

These exclude my own 2 kids.

Called up AtM:

http://www.footballglory.com/players/pl ... p?id=26657 (15k 20 yr old)
http://www.footballglory.com/players/pl ... p?id=31914 (5k 18 yr old)
http://www.footballglory.com/players/pl ... p?id=25151 (19k 21 yr old)
http://www.footballglory.com/players/pl ... p?id=26752 (14k 20 yr old)

His Own Called up Kids:
http://www.footballglory.com/players/pl ... p?id=30844 (18 yr old 7700)
http://www.footballglory.com/players/pl ... p?id=30845 (18 yr old 6700)


This doesn't even look past anyone over 21, which is there is quite a few of.

This was my original message to him. It might be harsh and a bit rude, but in no way is it what he stated above.

"not sure if your aware of NT rules, but if you play own players Golasa or Keinan over better players again, such as my own Kaplan, I'll fire you in a second because if you will check the rulebook, it's called national team abuse.

Also since friendlies generally include younger kids, I'd like to know why players who receive little benefit from the friendlies like Dadovich and a few others are playing. I assume since you can put your own young kids in the game, that you know what your doing..."

I gave my own player as an example, and I've provided 4 more besides my own. I'm sorry I only gave my own as an example, but was 7 am at the time of the original message I sent, and I did not have my coffee for the morning. His messages back to me... did not answer the question I posed about him playing middle aged players.

His messages back to me.

"I know what im doing and i know the rules!
If you want fire me and play your own players if you want!
Claudio."

"btw
if youre not sure then just dont threaten please?
if you want your players by force because youre a moderator then i wont stand a chance anyway and your player is not good enough.
4th div teams should get a chance to play also and improve youngsters. youre an unfair intimidating guy and that is at is sound not nice at all. you can realy take the joy of playing your own and let
the lower division managers of israeli teams suck their thumbs.

cheers mate."


I do have to admit I love the part where my own player isn't good enough, but I provided other examples. I'll admit, I can be quite an ***, more often then not, especially when I wake up, my apologies for that. Anyone who has known me a while or talked to me on MSN knows I'm quite friendly and not usually an ***.

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AJ (Olimpija 2B) says: why is everyone all of the sudden asking if he for sale and price?

Nuno says: cuz Eirk spreads the word faster than a prostitute spreads her legs

The problem here is you are prosecutor and judge for the same trial. I think it would be helpful to refer the complaint for other admins to deal with.

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Never changed teams.

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I'm not, NTs are Marcel's business really. I do like how his response to my post includes none of the responses he gave Marcel this morning. Dude, read the rules, there is little doubt your abusing your NT privilege by playing your own players over quite a few more qualified. However, instead of addressing the reasons I stated, you go back to my threatening. I apologized for my anger, I won't apologize for threatening to sack you for breaking the rules. If you continue to play your own players, over others more qualified, I don't really feel the need to threaten, the rules are stated, black and white.

And Rich, no admin fires a manager from a NT without consulting with other admins. I didn't fire him immediately, I awaited an explanation and I am still waiting an explanation.
The one he gave Marcel was not an explanation, it was a lie as his own actions contradict what he told Marcel.

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AJ (Olimpija 2B) says: why is everyone all of the sudden asking if he for sale and price?

Nuno says: cuz Eirk spreads the word faster than a prostitute spreads her legs

I replied to you on FGM. I agree with your case, i just felt "I will fire you in a second" suggested there would be no consultation. As that's not the case, no problem.

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Never changed teams.

World Champion (Norway) Season 18
World Champion (Norway) Season 20
World Champion (England) Season 27
World Champion (England) Season 29
World Champion (South Korea) Season 70
World Champion (England) Season 73
World Champion (England) Season 74

The enforcement of this rule does need to be considered very carefully, do you not see that you are risking taking away any point in being a NT manager at all?
If these rules are enforced so heavily it will become that there are an established set of players that are generally accepted to be the best, once it gets to this point it makes absolutely NO difference who the manager is, because they HAVE to play the same players no matter, because if they don't play the generally accepted 'best' players they will be fired, just as you are threatening.
There is definitely a real life connotation to a manager playing his own players. For example, a real life NT manager might pick players he has managed at club level in the past because he is most at ease working with them and he has fullest knowledge of their abilities.
So although I agree it needs to be watched and prevented from being taken to stupid lengths, you need to leave some flexibility there, its not like the Israel manager is playing utter **** players, and at the end of the day HE WILL eventually pay the price for not playing the better players, whether it be now or in 4 seasons time.
Having spent many seasons struggling to stay out of D4 I can also understand why he would want to help players from that level.

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Alex
Wrexham AFC.....D1

I'd also like to point out, you told Marcel all players under 19 are only playing 1 game... You stated that to Marcel, another admin. That includes your own players I imagine?

Second, yes you can play your own players. But look at the Israel NT and the lineup he fielded today. It was all 24 yr old players to 26 and his 2 kids. No other kids.

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AJ (Olimpija 2B) says: why is everyone all of the sudden asking if he for sale and price?

Nuno says: cuz Eirk spreads the word faster than a prostitute spreads her legs

I give Claudio Cesare Prandelli 100% support on this, in a friendly game the NT manager should CHOOSE who he want not a ADMIN telling to let hes players play, whats next? Telling we should use hes player on a loan base? Higher div players already getting beter updates, let lower div players play NT games.

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Adam Kroon
Levadia Tallinn 2B

Does anyone actually read what I sent him? I said he should use better players then his own, and gave my own as an example, I didn't require him to play him. But since I doubt anyone did, and this is turning into a thread where people are not thinking and reading the issue before they comment.

This is the issue: Can a NT manager play his own players if there are other players more qualified eligible?

The answer is no. I'll keep this thread open a little more, but if you don't read the whole issue before you speak, what's the point of keeping open a thread which is turning into a bashing incident?

And Adam, because you got fired from you NT for other reasons, you should think before you speak, and don't bring the reason you were fired from your NT into this thread.

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AJ (Olimpija 2B) says: why is everyone all of the sudden asking if he for sale and price?

Nuno says: cuz Eirk spreads the word faster than a prostitute spreads her legs

You seem to bring up this imaginary divisional aspect. Are you aware almost all the top managers brought there teams from Division 4 to wherever they are today? I sincerely doubt you do.

I want an answer to my question, which you have answer yet.

Why did you play your own players if your playing middle aged players? If it's giving every Israeli a chance (your own claim), I will be assuming that you will not play them another national team game. I think one thing I've never been accused of is inventing things, but I have offered to allow the admins to come into my account and see our messages in between both parties. I don't make up messages like you did with my words. That is quite inventive.

Your division 4 manager claims are cute, but understand the NT rules carefully, you definitely do not have to play my own kids. If you find better kids that are not mine, play them. But if you play your own kids and there are better kids available, then that is National Team abuse by a manager.

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AJ (Olimpija 2B) says: why is everyone all of the sudden asking if he for sale and price?

Nuno says: cuz Eirk spreads the word faster than a prostitute spreads her legs

I dont think this is the way to do it Aj your a respected admin. Being rude, provoking and and treaten to fire the manager if he doesnt play your players wont solve anything I hope you see this.

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I can understand Olympia's frustration, but it isn't always black & white which is the better player, particularly when you are comparing different ages. Different managers have different ways of doing this and being in charge of the NT should give the manager the chance to select who he likes as long as he/she isn't clearly abusing the priveledge.

If guidelines are introduced then it takes away an element of managing the team and we'd need a complicated set of rules to quantify which player is better than which taking into account potential updates.

For the WC matches age isn't really relevant - you select the best team available to win the match.

Also, are the mods going to check every team, or just the ones they have an interest in? If they're going to try and enforce this then it is only fair that all teams are treated equally.

Finally, Claudio made a post asking for players. Very few people bothered to reply so maybe they're not interested in their players being called up. I did reply and now my player is being used as an example of one who shouldn't have been called up. Although his wage isn't great his stats are well distributed for a WI.

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Yunnan Hongta (2C)

I replied too Rob, to that post. I'm sorry if I used your player, but I don't think he played today? Or am I mistaken? I'm not sure if he even has any intention to use your player or not. My player was on the NT till he dropped him yesterday. There's an 18 yr old with 596 on the NT, I don't really see being on the NT as mattering until they are played. As in this case, he has only played his own players.

Second Claudio, I did look at Israeli Gks, actually, I also looked at the rest of the Israeli kids and came up with 5 better then you have looked for. As for the GKs case, this isn't a discussion about Israeli Gks, but about playing your own players, but in discussion about the Israeli GKs, you will have a good youth one next season, I'm almost positive.


This is illogical, lots of people know about that player, but without a manager there is no way for someone to take a liking to that team.



I don't know if there is a rule about league discrimination, first time I have ever heard a manager bring that up. Again, I will say this one final time. National team abuse is when you play your own players and there are better players available... That's the end of it... If you play your own 7k kid or 8k 18 yr old, over the 7 other examples that were shown to you, then it is national team abuse.

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AJ (Olimpija 2B) says: why is everyone all of the sudden asking if he for sale and price?

Nuno says: cuz Eirk spreads the word faster than a prostitute spreads her legs