This thread is to discuss the quality of the random kids that will be given to teams at the start of the new season.

Use this page to create some fake kids and see how their skills are.
[Edit: 2011-09-14 by Bryan - dead link removed]

I added some extra fields to help see the results better.
Star players will be very uncommon, superstars will be very rare.
I increased their chances in this "simulator" for the purpose of testing, otherwise we would not see enough of them to have an idea.

Anyway, i hope you enjoy this little script, its just for paying managers because it could slow the server a lot if i allowed everyone to try. I might open it to everyone later in the weekend if needed.

Please share your players and ideas/suggestions/concerns here with us but remember, these are fake players, they will not exist in the game. This is just for testing purposes to make sure the script is generating players correctly.

Nation: Chile
Name: Leonardo Bustamente
Position: AM
Age: 18
Kee: 16
Tck: 24
Mar: 20
Pos: 65
Pas: 95
Off: 130
Sho: 75
Inf: 51
Air: 44
tec: 62
Spe: 87
Sta: 90

Total: 669
Type: Superstar

Would like to have this player

No i hope it will be good and nice players for all

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Forum-Administrator

Dutch team trying to beat everybody
Vitesse Arnhem

Winner of FYT season 22
Winner of Division 1 season 27+28
Winner of Charity Shield season 28

Didn't see many 17 year olds for a while, took a few goes to find an 18 year old then lots came. All had good names, all seemed very random.

Nation: Egypt
Name: Yasser Orabi
Position: MF
Age: 18
Kee: 16
Tck: 32
Mar: 47
Pos: 120
Pas: 92
Off: 36
Sho: 35
Inf: 69
Air: 59
Tec: 69
Spe: 87
Sta: 100

Total: 662
Type: Star

(liked his positioning)

Nation: Peru
Name: Orlando Barquero
Position: DF
Age: 16
Kee: 22
Tck: 93
Mar: 95
Pos: 55
Pas: 30
Off: 17
Sho: 44
Inf: 46
Air: 67
Tec: 70
Spe: 80
Sta: 110

Total: 619
Type: Superstar

Heres my best so far.

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Bordeaux FCDG
Manager Since October 2002 : Currently the 14th best manager in History
D1, 2A, 2B, 2C, 3D, 3J, 3I and 4K Champion and Double Cup Winner.

this was my first one


Nation: Switzerland
Name: Angelo Adams
Position: DF
Age: 18
Kee: 20
Tck: 123
Mar: 106
Pos: 43
Pas: 40
Off: 30
Sho: 43
Inf: 61
Air: 60
Tec: 67
Spe: 85
Sta: 89

Total: 678
Type: Superstar

low stamina but a awsome tck

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FC PORTO
DIV 1

Season 66 Div. 1 Winner
Season 68 Div. 1 Winner

another one


Nation: Mali
Name: Mamadou Diakité
Position: AT
Age: 18
Kee: 13
Tck: 20
Mar: 27
Pos: 62
Pas: 59
Off: 95
Sho: 115
Inf: 60
Air: 54
Tec: 70
Spe: 104
Sta: 115

Total: 679
Type: Superstar

i would like to have this 2 players please

with my luck, they will be not even close to this

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FC PORTO
DIV 1

Season 66 Div. 1 Winner
Season 68 Div. 1 Winner

nope, the superstars will be less then those now, 1 every season to every 2 seasons...

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Manager of Maccabi Haifa Division 3I


AJ (Olimpija 2B) says: why is everyone all of the sudden asking if he for sale and price?

Nuno says: cuz Eirk spreads the word faster than a prostitute spreads her legs

I'd tryed 10 times consecutive. Here the result:

1st one = 17yo 633 Type: Star
2nd = 16yo 534 Type: Normal
3rd = 18yo 658 Type: Star
4th = 18yo 576 Type: Normal
5th = 18yo 595 Type: Normal
6th = 16yo 520 Type: Normal
7th = 16yo 590 Type: Normal
8th = 17yo 587 Type: Normal
9th = 17yo 552 Type: Normal
10th = 18yo 598 Type: Normal

Means:

30%/30%/40% on age distribution by 16/17/18yo
80% normal , 20% stars and none superhero
But, i am not exactally a luck guy when we talk about lottery.

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Tony Calabria
Liverpool FC

also gave it 10 shots:
17y - 572 - DF - Normal 130/97
16y - 576 - DF - Normal 93/91
16y - 572 - DF - Normal 92/98
16y - 553 - WB - Normal
18y - 619 - MF - Normal 111/94
18y - 613 - DF - Normal 106/101
17y - 568 - DF - Normal 88/98
16y - 565 - DF - Normal
16y - 575 - DF - Normal 95/91
16y - 511 - DF - Normal 65/89
Main stats are fairly high
All are normal
But there are three (in italic) who are just bad imo and the 18y i'd say they are already good



couldn't help it and did again 10:
18y - 663 - GK - Superstar
17y - 567 - DF - Normal
17y - 571 - AT - Normal
17y - 578 - AT - Normal
16y - 550 - DF - Normal --> bad imo
18y - 617 - MF - Normal
17y - 618 - MF - Normal --> this is a star too imo (waged at 17y)
16y - 628 - MF - Superstar
17y - 655 - WB - Superstar --> should never exist, this is 12k wage (unless WB get more points, which imo is not a bad idea but maybe difficult to implement)
17y - 633 - AT - Star
3 superstars and 1 star in 20 is too much
a 16y with 550 is very low he'd need to have 2 updates of 30 to become 610 which is much for which i'd prefer a 617 normal 18y

so after 20 guys is my conclusion:

* Too many star/superstar
* too much low normals (especially 16y's)
* lots of +570 17y and 18y +610 normals, which is good
* lots of main stats are +100 which is fairly high

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Some team

Here are my 10 players

Brazil - 18y - 566 - AM - Normal - Tech 43, Sho 58 = low for an AM
Scotland - 17y - 542 - DF - Normal - 90/94 = Good Mains
Brazil - 18y - 591 - MF - Normal - 97/86
Belgium - 18y - 623 - MF - Normal - 92/110
South Africa - 17y - 587 - DF - Normal - 92/107
Saoudi Arabia - 16y - 582 - GK - Normal - 81/87/62/88
Nigeria - 18y - 644 - AM - Normal - 101/114
Argentina - 17y - 566 - WB - Normal - 71/57/84/64/112
United States - 17y - 553 - DF - Normal - 90/85
Belarus - 16y - 530 - DF - Normal - 84/83

Some general remarks:

* I think there are too many DF's (Qriss had 18 and 1 WB in 20)
* Quality of the normal players seems good. As there also have to be "bad" players.
* I haven't seen a WI yet...
* Ages and Countries seem well balanced

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Bert
Tottenham Hotspur

I got this one :

16yo/598 pts Still he is considered to be normal : I wouldn't mind getting three of these 'normal' kids

Nation: Guinea-Bissau
Name: Tony Carlos Có
Position: DF
Age: 16
Kee: 9
Tck: 104
Mar: 103
Pos: 46
Pas: 39
Off: 17
Sho: 27
Inf: 55
Air: 81
Tec: 46
Spe: 71
Sta: 110

Total: 598
Type: Normal

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FC Politechnika AEK

first: think the youth you get should have a 50% chance of being from the same country as the team (as it was in the ytf)
and coz its so important i give you another 10 players:
17 - 640 - MF - Superstar 92/108 --> too high wage
18 - 588 - GK - Normal kee:91
16 - 621 - MF - Superstar 117/94 --> too high wage
16 - 541 - WI - Normal speed:114
17 - 582 - DF - Normal 97/94
17 - 541 - DF - Normal 91/79 --> useless
18 - 592 - AT - Normal 91/88
18 - 627 - AT - Normal 99/105
17 - 568 - AT - Normal 87/88
17 - 539 - DF - Normal 77/93 --> useless

think the bottom needs to be a bit better (too many useless players)
and the top a bit less (too many star players)

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Some team

This is what i got.
GK, 16yo, 585 , normal
AT, 18yo ,656 , star
AT, 17yo, 603 , normal
MF, 17yo, 605 , normal
AM, 17yo, 634 star
DF, 17yo, 565, normal

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Hey guys

The Star/Superstar ratio has been greatly increased just for the testing, they wont be as common. I didnt decide on the exact chances yet.
The Normal/Star/Superstar description is there just for testing purposes so we can distinguish them and test them separately.
Normal players are the norm, their possible skills range from very low to very high so its still possible to get players close to 600pt total at 16yo even being "Normal".
Stars is what we consider really good players, those slightly above 600pt at 16yo. The YTF created about what? 3-8 of them per season?
Superstars are really rare, they're a bit better than "stars" and we'll get about 0 or 1 per season. 2 if we're lucky

The age has equal chances for 16, 17 and 18. It simply generates a random number between 16 and 18

17yo players have higher skills than the 16yo, this is to make up for the extra update they would have gotten if they were 16yo. The same happens with 18yo, they have higher skills than the 17yo.
The difference is about the same as an average update for that age.

The nationalities will be based on the same local/foreign calculations we had before, this means the big part of them will be local to your club.

The position distributions currently are, roughly:

GK: 7.15%
DF: 28.6%
WB: 7.15%
MF: 28.6%
WI: 7.15%
AM: 7.15%
AT: 14.3%

This can and probably will be changed before the update. These were the YTF player pool creation values.

There's 3 things i want to change today:
Reduce the amount of very useless players (low 500s at 16yo)
Tweak the skill distribution for the special positions WB,WI and AM
Create sweepers (SW) They'll be less common than WB, WI and AMs and they will be defenders, only difference is their skills will make them more suited to be used as SW.

Please realise that Nuno made this page for you to have fun and for us to check if the players look like we want, expecially concerning the skill distribution. So if you tell us that a certain type of player is too rare or too common, that is not really information we are looking for. Superstars are common now so that you have the possibility of what kind of player you might get in the future.
Kris showed a mediocre winger with very high speed. From this you may conclude that the "normal", "star" and "superstar" refer to average skill, not particularly to the distribution of the skills. But obviously, a superstar has higher probability of getting speed above 114 than a normal player.
Another thing: there is no type of player called "bad". There are just the three types mentioned above. But naturally you will consider a lot of "normal" players as being bad ones.

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Marcel Klok | FK Zenit St. Petersburg | Master Admin | Forum Moderator

Great answer Nuno

i only got 1 worry: who will choose a wb?
hardly anyone plays them (for the known reasons)
will wb not disappear slowly?

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Some team

Have you tweaked them already, Nuno?

Cos I've run the script and got 10 normal players. Either it's my luck or....

Vadim Rumyantsev, RUS, 16y, DF, 82/77, 535, Normal
Dawda Sanyang, GAM, 16y, DF, 77/100, 524, Normal
Algirdas Mikuckis, LIT, 17y, WB, 62/60/88/78, 571, Normal
Marcelo Celoria, ARG, DF, 16y 103/79, 568, Normal
Saimir Curri, ALB, 16y, DF, 80/84, 557, Normal
Patrick Ritchie, SCO, 17y, GK, 83/100/54/79, 602, Normal
Eric Kennedy, USA, 17y, MF, 101/91, 575, Normal
Sunday Allen, NIG, 16y, DF, 78/81, 559, Normal
Joseph Ikwoche Chiemeze, NIG, 17y, MF, 99/85, 567, Normal
Dae-Hee Jung, KOR, 16y, MF, 100/79, 592, Normal

So here are my observations:

I didn't get a single AT. I've seen your percentage spread and at first look, it seems reasonable, since AT gets less percentage due to the lesser need for them in a conventional 4-4-2 system. However, consider this. According to FG rules, a Winger is counted as a midfielder and a Wingback half a defender, and half a midfielder. So in fact, your percentages look something like this.

GK: 7.15%
DF positions: 32.175%
MF positions: 46.475%
AT positions: 14.3%

That cannot be right can it? Out of ten chances, there's only 1.4 chance of getting an attacker, while you'll get a midfield player slightly less than half the time. If we add SW into the mix, the situation will be even more dire for strikers.

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Jatex Ko
Stabæk

well... each club will receive 3 random players automatically. There will be no choice. 480 clubs means 1440 new players. This means about 100 new wingbacks will be created. Some will be bad, some will be average and some will be good.

wingsbacks are one of my favorite types of players, they can be used as WB, DF, MF and sometimes SW. Their main skills for DF or MF may not be as high as those of a real DF or MF but all skills are used in all positions (their value depending on the position) and wingbacks have high tech and speed, which is important.
When i played with SK Lyn, i was champion for the first time using 4 WBs in my lineup

The wingbacks created on this system will be a bit better than the YTF ones, because we no longer have to split their training weeks.

Yeah, you're right. I'll take a look at that.

I'll work on that after lunch, be right back

I've used brute force to get a 10% sample. That's 144 kids churned out consecutively.

Normal: 131
Star: 9
Superstar: 4

Stars appeared in the 15, 49, 52, 53, 87, 105, 111, 124, 131 tries
Superstars appeared in the 24, 59, 68, 134 tries

For the Stars,

16yo: II
17yo: III
18yo: IIII

For the Superstars,

16yo:
17yo: II
18yo: II

And just fyi, most points award goes to...

Nation: Algeria
Name: Sofiane Kerroum
Position: DF
Age: 18
Kee: 13
Tck: 107
Mar: 114
Pos: 49
Pas: 41
Off: 34
Sho: 31
Inf: 75
Air: 80
Tec: 47
Spe: 89
Sta: 103

Total: 680
Type: Superstar

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Jatex Ko
Stabæk

ok, fixed the WB, WI and AM. Added the SW. The SW will be much less common than WB, WI and AM.

Here's the first example i got:

Nation: Portugal
Name: António Vítor
Position: SW
Age: 17
Kee: 7
Tck: 100
Mar: 88
Pos: 78
Pas: 31
Off: 21
Sho: 15
Inf: 60
Air: 58
Tec: 58
Spe: 68
Sta: 100

Total: 584
Type: Normal