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 Post subject: Uncovered cheating?
PostPosted: 21 Jun 2017, 20:10 
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I’ve discovered certain patterns in the transfer deals between Axel Lothar, Kerem Alkan, Aykut Zan and Fatih Terim of Istanbulspor. It seems whenever one of Axel Lothar, Kerem Alkan or Aykut Zan finds a new team they sell off their best players to Istanbulspor within the first few days of management. The deals does not look too bad individually, but the pattern discovered is that Istanbulspor ends up with the best players in all the transfers. In my opinion it looks like Istanbulspor looks through the unmanaged teams for talented players and make one of his “friends” apply for the job.

I have not taken the time to go back through the seasons to look at the value of all the retired players etc, but the pattern is clear. Istanbulspor gets help with loans and collecting stars from unmanaged teams before other managers get a chance to make an offer. Some of the quality players he has signed should be impossible to buy in todays market.

Below I’ve listed the manager history for each of the managers and looked through the transfer history to compare dates:

Axel Lothar


3rd December 2012: Hired as Manager of FC Kotayk.
No incidents.
4th February 2013: Fired from the manager position in FC Kotayk.

12th March 2013: Hired as Manager of Denizlispor.
No incidents

7th April 2013: Hired as Manager of Sartid Smederevo.
No incidents
10th June 2013: Fired from the manager position in Sartid Smederevo.

18th June 2013: Hired as Manager of Denizlispor.

20th June 2013: Karazi sold to IST for 6mill + 2 retired players.
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=48770
for
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=36275
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=39555

15th July 2013: Fired from the manager position in Denizlispor.

16th September 2013: Hired as Manager of Denizlispor.
16th Sep 2013: Çalhanoğlu sold to IST for 2 retired players
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=50563
for
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=38576
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=38667

4th November 2013: Fired from the manager position in Denizlispor.

6th January 2014: Hired as Manager of Denizlispor.
20th January 2014: 4 players bought from IST for 12mill (not really worth a mention)
23rd March 2014: Hired as Manager of Mitsubishi Urawa FC.

26th March 2014: Inamoto sold for 4mill to IST
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=52480
26th March 2014: Parubin sold for 5mill to IST
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=43309
Parubin is 4 days later sold for 8,5mill, while Inamoto 2 weeks later was sold for 12mill + Marqueiro (http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=49833)

28th April 2014: Fired from the manager position in Mitsubishi Urawa FC.

21st March 2016: Hired as Manager of Samsunspor.

22nd March 2016: Takes Bendtner on loan from IST
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=53978
19th April 2016: Takes Skretl and Gueye on loan from IST
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=55701
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=55852
These loans dates back to when the IST players were approximately 22-23yo. I have not checked what division Samsunspor were in back then, but surely the loans were to the advantage of IST.

1st August 2016: Fired from the manager position in Samsunspor.

25th September 2016: Hired as Manager of Motherwell.

25th September 2016: Sells Otamendi + Oktay to IST for Ji Sung + Zellwegger + 10mill
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=54807
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=54007
for
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=55009
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=56766
This deal was the start of my suspicions. It didn’t make sense for Motherwell to sell off two of their best players. Otamendi and Oktay were of the same age as the rest of their first team, while Ji Sung and Zellwegger were a year younger and had less quality.

9th January 2017: Fired from the manager position in Motherwell.

11th May 2017: Hired as Manager of Videoton FCF.

11th May 2017: sells Marquez to IST for 4mill
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=48898
18th June 2017: bought Dagdelen from IST for 9.5mill
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=48598
Each of these deals does not look too shabby individually, but considering Marquez is better and was a year younger at the time it is strange the price of Dagdelen is more than doubled.


Kerem Alkan

26th August 2013: Hired as Manager of Galatasaray SK.

No incidents.
16th September 2013: Fired from the manager position in Galatasaray SK.

30th September 2013: Hired as Manager of Galatasaray SK.

Between 30th of September and the 2nd of October GSK bought 2 players from IST for a total of 7.5mill

18th November 2013: Fired from the manager position in Galatasaray SK.

17th December 2013: Hired as Manager of Galatasaray SK.

20th December 2013: bought Zaid from IST for 7mill.
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=50966
21st March 2014: Sold Colan Emre to IST for 8mill
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=51932
Note: Nearly no difference in price for two players where Emre is a lot better.

2nd June 2014: Fired from the manager position in Galatasaray SK.

16th September 2014: Hired as Manager of Denizlispor.

17th September 2014: Sold Aktan and Gunes to IST for 20mill
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=53623
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=54676

3rd November 2014: Fired from the manager position in Denizlispor.


16th December 2014: Hired as Manager of Bregenz.

16th December 2014: Sold Leuchtmann and Skretl to IST for 10mill each.
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=54679
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=55701

29th March 2015: Hired as Manager of Stabæk.

29th March 2015: Sold Isaksson to IST for Sandomierski + Guven + 1mill
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=56233
for
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=55312
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=56056

27th July 2015: Fired from the manager position in Stabæk.

23rd November 2015: Hired as Manager of FC Utrecht.

24th November 2015: Bought Hilda from IST on instant transfer
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=55985

8th February 2016: Fired from the manager position in FC Utrecht.

14th February 2016: Hired as Manager of FC Utrecht.
No incidents

13th May 2016: Hired as Manager of CD Universidad Católica.

13th June 2016: Sold Klic to IST for Bendtner + 2,5mill
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=55141
for
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=53978
20th September 2016: Bought Yago from IST for 13mill.
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=60781
Note: I was lucky to get 7.5mill for him a season earlier.

2nd January 2017: Fired from the manager position in CD Universidad Católica.

11th January 2017: Hired as Manager of Motherwell.
No incidents.
13th February 2017: Fired from the manager position in Motherwell.

13th March 2017: Hired as Manager of CD Universidad Católica.

21st June 2017: Sold Araya + Bernsteiner to IST for Scholes + Racz + 30mill
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=56723
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=55777
for
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=55057
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=54350

Aykut Zan

(Note: could not find any manager history for Aykut Zan, had to look through the history of certain clubs to find him)
5th April 2014: SAM hires Aykut Zan as Manager.

8th April 2014: Sold Hasan Sas to IST for 17mill + 4 players
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=52689
for
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=46391
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=49979
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=49910
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=37487

5th May 2014: SAM fires Aykut Zan from the manager

18th June 2016: UCR hires Aykut Zan as Manager.
30th June 2016: Takes Racz on loan from IST
http://www.footballglory.com/players/player.php?id=54350
Note: The loan dates back to when Racz was waged 63k and UCR played in div2, how could the Racz loan possibly be to the advantage of UCR?
25th July 2016: UCR fires Aykut Zan from the manager


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 Post subject: Re: Uncovered cheating?
PostPosted: 21 Jun 2017, 21:24 
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Impressive work! I have noticed the same patterns, but didnt think it was that much :/

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 Post subject: Re: Uncovered cheating?
PostPosted: 21 Jun 2017, 21:28 
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 Post subject: Re: Uncovered cheating?
PostPosted: 22 Jun 2017, 07:24 
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..anti cheat admin involved in this story, wow ??? Really interested how this develops.

impressive work to track it back !

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 Post subject: Re: Uncovered cheating?
PostPosted: 22 Jun 2017, 13:22 
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Wow that is some research man, it`s quite shocking, I would love to hear the other side of the story now.

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 Post subject: Re: Uncovered cheating?
PostPosted: 22 Jun 2017, 13:30 
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ORDER ORDER in the courtroom!!!! QUIET please now let the accused plead his case..........

in all seriousness this looks pretty clear cut with the amazing research so would love to hear Fatih Terim answer to such an accusation

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 Post subject: Re: Uncovered cheating?
PostPosted: 22 Jun 2017, 13:41 
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Ouch, good job on the research man.
Not gonna say he is cheating, but something seems fishy.

It will be a shame if this is cheating and he is anti cheat admin. :(

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 Post subject: Re: Uncovered cheating?
PostPosted: 22 Jun 2017, 15:01 
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nice research , might be cheating
can also be a simple alliance between them


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 Post subject: Re: Uncovered cheating?
PostPosted: 22 Jun 2017, 15:24 
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good work man, i saw as well that Istanbul was moving players in some suspicious deals and like i said before the loans he did were at least suspicious if not unfair, so in my opinion this is very big and it can not have any result than the fairing of Istanbul manager in my opinion. unfortunately he is the anti cheat admin and for sure nothing will happen.

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 Post subject: Re: Uncovered cheating?
PostPosted: 22 Jun 2017, 16:25 
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I am unable to get a response on the matter from Fatih for a few says - he's currently on holiday, but i will message the other managers involved in the meantime and speak with him to get his side of the story when he returns.

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 Post subject: Re: Uncovered cheating?
PostPosted: 22 Jun 2017, 18:07 
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I think a lot of strange deals happen, especially when people loan out 24 yr olds on 70K wages to get all games in a season. Some of these transfers are strange too. Good to see Bryan checking up on it.

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 Post subject: Re: Uncovered cheating?
PostPosted: 23 Jun 2017, 07:42 
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Einar wrote:
Ouch, good job on the research man.
Not gonna say he is cheating, but something seems fishy.

It will be a shame if this is cheating and he is anti cheat admin. :(


mate, I do not thing that question stands "if". This is way too much evidence.

side note: he is anti cheat admin, so such person should be leading by example, not being involved in this where clearly all benefits of transfers/loans are at his side.

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 Post subject: Re: Uncovered cheating?
PostPosted: 23 Jun 2017, 09:31 
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keeps001 wrote:
I am unable to get a response on the matter from Fatih for a few says - he's currently on holiday, but i will message the other managers involved in the meantime and speak with him to get his side of the story when he returns.


for the sake of the game, I hope this will be followed up until resolution and appropriate steps will be taken.

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 Post subject: Re: Uncovered cheating?
PostPosted: 28 Jun 2017, 08:57 
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anything is going to happen ?

or we just close eyes and pretend nothing is going on ?

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PostPosted: 28 Jun 2017, 13:25 
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 Post subject: Re: Uncovered cheating?
PostPosted: 28 Jun 2017, 20:05 
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at least i hope he was fired/suspended from the transfer admin position until the end of the investigation :|

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 Post subject: Re: Uncovered cheating?
PostPosted: 28 Jun 2017, 20:26 
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mate, to be really honest...investigation has already been made and really detailed one.

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 Post subject: Re: Uncovered cheating?
PostPosted: 28 Jun 2017, 21:34 
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I'm sure Bryan is still waiting for a reply from IST before making a decision, altho I don't think the IST manager will reply until he has a superb excuse for the allegations.

I have to add that Fatih Terim has done a great job as a transfer admin, except from his own case. We need atleast two transfer admins without any affiliation with eachother.

It has to be said that there might be more dodgy deals. I did not have access to the entire manager history of Aykut Zan and I did not research the history of all the teams he has dealt with.


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 Post subject: Re: Uncovered cheating?
PostPosted: 29 Jun 2017, 07:49 
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It's good that this pattern was noticed. Let's keep our eyes open for future transfers. I think loan deals have been exploited for a long time, and need to be regulated too

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