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The Star/Superstar ratio has been greatly increased just for the testing, they wont be as common. I didnt decide on the exact chances yet.
The Normal/Star/Superstar description is there just for testing purposes so we can distinguish them and test them separately.
Normal players are the norm, their possible skills range from very low to very high so its still possible to get players close to 600pt total at 16yo even being "Normal".
Stars is what we consider really good players, those slightly above 600pt at 16yo. The YTF created about what? 3-8 of them per season?
Superstars are really rare, they're a bit better than "stars" and we'll get about 0 or 1 per season. 2 if we're lucky

The age has equal chances for 16, 17 and 18. It simply generates a random number between 16 and 18

17yo players have higher skills than the 16yo, this is to make up for the extra update they would have gotten if they were 16yo. The same happens with 18yo, they have higher skills than the 17yo.
The difference is about the same as an average update for that age.

The nationalities will be based on the same local/foreign calculations we had before, this means the big part of them will be local to your club.

The position distributions currently are, roughly:

GK: 7.15%
DF: 28.6%
WB: 7.15%
MF: 28.6%
WI: 7.15%
AM: 7.15%
AT: 14.3%

This can and probably will be changed before the update. These were the YTF player pool creation values.

There's 3 things i want to change today:
Reduce the amount of very useless players (low 500s at 16yo)
Tweak the skill distribution for the special positions WB,WI and AM
Create sweepers (SW) They'll be less common than WB, WI and AMs and they will be defenders, only difference is their skills will make them more suited to be used as SW.

Author:	Nuno [ 12 Dec 2008, 00:10 ]
Post subject:	Random kids
This thread is to discuss the quality of the random kids that will be given to teams at the start of the new season. Use this page to create some fake kids and see how their skills are. [Edit: 2011-09-14 by Bryan - dead link removed] I added some extra fields to help see the results better. Star players will be very uncommon, superstars will be very rare. I increased their chances in this "simulator" for the purpose of testing, otherwise we would not see enough of them to have an idea. Anyway, i hope you enjoy this little script, its just for paying managers because it could slow the server a lot if i allowed everyone to try. I might open it to everyone later in the weekend if needed. Please share your players and ideas/suggestions/concerns here with us but remember, these are fake players, they will not exist in the game. This is just for testing purposes to make sure the script is generating players correctly.

Author:	Michael Guldhammer [ 12 Dec 2008, 00:40 ]
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Nation: Chile Name: Leonardo Bustamente Position: AM Age: 18 Kee: 16 Tck: 24 Mar: 20 Pos: 65 Pas: 95 Off: 130 Sho: 75 Inf: 51 Air: 44 tec: 62 Spe: 87 Sta: 90 Total: 669 Type: Superstar Would like to have this player No i hope it will be good and nice players for all

Author:	jono_davies [ 12 Dec 2008, 01:27 ]
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Didn't see many 17 year olds for a while, took a few goes to find an 18 year old then lots came. All had good names, all seemed very random. Nation: Egypt Name: Yasser Orabi Position: MF Age: 18 Kee: 16 Tck: 32 Mar: 47 Pos: 120 Pas: 92 Off: 36 Sho: 35 Inf: 69 Air: 59 Tec: 69 Spe: 87 Sta: 100 Total: 662 Type: Star (liked his positioning) Nation: Peru Name: Orlando Barquero Position: DF Age: 16 Kee: 22 Tck: 93 Mar: 95 Pos: 55 Pas: 30 Off: 17 Sho: 44 Inf: 46 Air: 67 Tec: 70 Spe: 80 Sta: 110 Total: 619 Type: Superstar Heres my best so far.

Author:	Moises [ 12 Dec 2008, 01:52 ]
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this was my first one Nation: Switzerland Name: Angelo Adams Position: DF Age: 18 Kee: 20 Tck: 123 Mar: 106 Pos: 43 Pas: 40 Off: 30 Sho: 43 Inf: 61 Air: 60 Tec: 67 Spe: 85 Sta: 89 Total: 678 Type: Superstar low stamina but a awsome tck

Author:	Moises [ 12 Dec 2008, 02:08 ]
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another one Nation: Mali Name: Mamadou Diakité Position: AT Age: 18 Kee: 13 Tck: 20 Mar: 27 Pos: 62 Pas: 59 Off: 95 Sho: 115 Inf: 60 Air: 54 Tec: 70 Spe: 104 Sta: 115 Total: 679 Type: Superstar i would like to have this 2 players please with my luck, they will be not even close to this

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Author:	Olimpija [ 12 Dec 2008, 03:39 ]
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nope, the superstars will be less then those now, 1 every season to every 2 seasons...

Author:	TonyCalabria [ 12 Dec 2008, 03:48 ]
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I'd tryed 10 times consecutive. Here the result: 1st one = 17yo 633 Type: Star 2nd = 16yo 534 Type: Normal 3rd = 18yo 658 Type: Star 4th = 18yo 576 Type: Normal 5th = 18yo 595 Type: Normal 6th = 16yo 520 Type: Normal 7th = 16yo 590 Type: Normal 8th = 17yo 587 Type: Normal 9th = 17yo 552 Type: Normal 10th = 18yo 598 Type: Normal Means: 30%/30%/40% on age distribution by 16/17/18yo 80% normal , 20% stars and none superhero But, i am not exactally a luck guy when we talk about lottery.

Author:	Qriss [ 12 Dec 2008, 08:57 ]
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also gave it 10 shots: 17y - 572 - DF - Normal 130/97 16y - 576 - DF - Normal 93/91 16y - 572 - DF - Normal 92/98 16y - 553 - WB - Normal 18y - 619 - MF - Normal 111/94 18y - 613 - DF - Normal 106/101 17y - 568 - DF - Normal 88/98 16y - 565 - DF - Normal 16y - 575 - DF - Normal 95/91 16y - 511 - DF - Normal 65/89 Main stats are fairly high All are normal But there are three (in italic) who are just bad imo and the 18y i'd say they are already good couldn't help it and did again 10: 18y - 663 - GK - Superstar 17y - 567 - DF - Normal 17y - 571 - AT - Normal 17y - 578 - AT - Normal 16y - 550 - DF - Normal --> bad imo 18y - 617 - MF - Normal 17y - 618 - MF - Normal --> this is a star too imo (waged at 17y) 16y - 628 - MF - Superstar 17y - 655 - WB - Superstar --> should never exist, this is 12k wage (unless WB get more points, which imo is not a bad idea but maybe difficult to implement) 17y - 633 - AT - Star 3 superstars and 1 star in 20 is too much a 16y with 550 is very low he'd need to have 2 updates of 30 to become 610 which is much for which i'd prefer a 617 normal 18y so after 20 guys is my conclusion: * Too many star/superstar * too much low normals (especially 16y's) * lots of +570 17y and 18y +610 normals, which is good * lots of main stats are +100 which is fairly high

Author:	Bert [ 12 Dec 2008, 09:29 ]
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Here are my 10 players Brazil - 18y - 566 - AM - Normal - Tech 43, Sho 58 = low for an AM Scotland - 17y - 542 - DF - Normal - 90/94 = Good Mains Brazil - 18y - 591 - MF - Normal - 97/86 Belgium - 18y - 623 - MF - Normal - 92/110 South Africa - 17y - 587 - DF - Normal - 92/107 Saoudi Arabia - 16y - 582 - GK - Normal - 81/87/62/88 Nigeria - 18y - 644 - AM - Normal - 101/114 Argentina - 17y - 566 - WB - Normal - 71/57/84/64/112 United States - 17y - 553 - DF - Normal - 90/85 Belarus - 16y - 530 - DF - Normal - 84/83 Some general remarks: * I think there are too many DF's (Qriss had 18 and 1 WB in 20) * Quality of the normal players seems good. As there also have to be "bad" players. * I haven't seen a WI yet... * Ages and Countries seem well balanced

Author:	Mikey [ 12 Dec 2008, 09:52 ]
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I got this one : 16yo/598 pts Still he is considered to be normal : I wouldn't mind getting three of these 'normal' kids Nation: Guinea-Bissau Name: Tony Carlos Có Position: DF Age: 16 Kee: 9 Tck: 104 Mar: 103 Pos: 46 Pas: 39 Off: 17 Sho: 27 Inf: 55 Air: 81 Tec: 46 Spe: 71 Sta: 110 Total: 598 Type: Normal

Author:	Qriss [ 12 Dec 2008, 10:19 ]
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first: think the youth you get should have a 50% chance of being from the same country as the team (as it was in the ytf) and coz its so important i give you another 10 players: 17 - 640 - MF - Superstar 92/108 --> too high wage 18 - 588 - GK - Normal kee:91 16 - 621 - MF - Superstar 117/94 --> too high wage 16 - 541 - WI - Normal speed:114 17 - 582 - DF - Normal 97/94 17 - 541 - DF - Normal 91/79 --> useless 18 - 592 - AT - Normal 91/88 18 - 627 - AT - Normal 99/105 17 - 568 - AT - Normal 87/88 17 - 539 - DF - Normal 77/93 --> useless think the bottom needs to be a bit better (too many useless players) and the top a bit less (too many star players)

Author:	Yido [ 12 Dec 2008, 11:45 ]
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This is what i got. GK, 16yo, 585 , normal AT, 18yo ,656 , star AT, 17yo, 603 , normal MF, 17yo, 605 , normal AM, 17yo, 634 star DF, 17yo, 565, normal

Author:	Nuno [ 12 Dec 2008, 13:13 ]
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Hey guys The Star/Superstar ratio has been greatly increased just for the testing, they wont be as common. I didnt decide on the exact chances yet. The Normal/Star/Superstar description is there just for testing purposes so we can distinguish them and test them separately. Normal players are the norm, their possible skills range from very low to very high so its still possible to get players close to 600pt total at 16yo even being "Normal". Stars is what we consider really good players, those slightly above 600pt at 16yo. The YTF created about what? 3-8 of them per season? Superstars are really rare, they're a bit better than "stars" and we'll get about 0 or 1 per season. 2 if we're lucky The age has equal chances for 16, 17 and 18. It simply generates a random number between 16 and 18 17yo players have higher skills than the 16yo, this is to make up for the extra update they would have gotten if they were 16yo. The same happens with 18yo, they have higher skills than the 17yo. The difference is about the same as an average update for that age. The nationalities will be based on the same local/foreign calculations we had before, this means the big part of them will be local to your club. The position distributions currently are, roughly: GK: 7.15% DF: 28.6% WB: 7.15% MF: 28.6% WI: 7.15% AM: 7.15% AT: 14.3% This can and probably will be changed before the update. These were the YTF player pool creation values. There's 3 things i want to change today: Reduce the amount of very useless players (low 500s at 16yo) Tweak the skill distribution for the special positions WB,WI and AM Create sweepers (SW) They'll be less common than WB, WI and AMs and they will be defenders, only difference is their skills will make them more suited to be used as SW.

Author:	Orologio [ 12 Dec 2008, 13:35 ]
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Please realise that Nuno made this page for you to have fun and for us to check if the players look like we want, expecially concerning the skill distribution. So if you tell us that a certain type of player is too rare or too common, that is not really information we are looking for. Superstars are common now so that you have the possibility of what kind of player you might get in the future. Kris showed a mediocre winger with very high speed. From this you may conclude that the "normal", "star" and "superstar" refer to average skill, not particularly to the distribution of the skills. But obviously, a superstar has higher probability of getting speed above 114 than a normal player. Another thing: there is no type of player called "bad". There are just the three types mentioned above. But naturally you will consider a lot of "normal" players as being bad ones.

Author:	Nuno [ 12 Dec 2008, 14:29 ]
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Jatex wrote: Nuno wrote: So here are my observations: I didn't get a single AT. I've seen your percentage spread and at first look, it seems reasonable, since AT gets less percentage due to the lesser need for them in a conventional 4-4-2 system. However, consider this. According to FG rules, a Winger is counted as a midfielder and a Wingback half a defender, and half a midfielder. So in fact, your percentages look something like this. GK: 7.15% DF positions: 32.175% MF positions: 46.475% AT positions: 14.3% That cannot be right can it? Out of ten chances, there's only 1.4 chance of getting an attacker, while you'll get a midfield player slightly less than half the time. If we add SW into the mix, the situation will be even more dire for strikers. Yeah, you're right. I'll take a look at that. I'll work on that after lunch, be right back

Author:	Jatex [ 12 Dec 2008, 14:55 ]
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I've used brute force to get a 10% sample. That's 144 kids churned out consecutively. Normal: 131 Star: 9 Superstar: 4 Stars appeared in the 15, 49, 52, 53, 87, 105, 111, 124, 131 tries Superstars appeared in the 24, 59, 68, 134 tries For the Stars, 16yo: II 17yo: III 18yo: IIII For the Superstars, 16yo: 17yo: II 18yo: II And just fyi, most points award goes to... Nation: Algeria Name: Sofiane Kerroum Position: DF Age: 18 Kee: 13 Tck: 107 Mar: 114 Pos: 49 Pas: 41 Off: 34 Sho: 31 Inf: 75 Air: 80 Tec: 47 Spe: 89 Sta: 103 Total: 680 Type: Superstar

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Author:	Qriss [ 12 Dec 2008, 13:38 ]
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Great answer Nuno i only got 1 worry: who will choose a wb? hardly anyone plays them (for the known reasons) will wb not disappear slowly?

Author:	Jatex [ 12 Dec 2008, 14:23 ]
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Nuno wrote: Hey guys The Star/Superstar ratio has been greatly increased just for the testing, they wont be as common. I didnt decide on the exact chances yet. The Normal/Star/Superstar description is there just for testing purposes so we can distinguish them and test them separately. Normal players are the norm, their possible skills range from very low to very high so its still possible to get players close to 600pt total at 16yo even being "Normal". Stars is what we consider really good players, those slightly above 600pt at 16yo. The YTF created about what? 3-8 of them per season? Superstars are really rare, they're a bit better than "stars" and we'll get about 0 or 1 per season. 2 if we're lucky The age has equal chances for 16, 17 and 18. It simply generates a random number between 16 and 18 17yo players have higher skills than the 16yo, this is to make up for the extra update they would have gotten if they were 16yo. The same happens with 18yo, they have higher skills than the 17yo. The difference is about the same as an average update for that age. The nationalities will be based on the same local/foreign calculations we had before, this means the big part of them will be local to your club. The position distributions currently are, roughly: GK: 7.15% DF: 28.6% WB: 7.15% MF: 28.6% WI: 7.15% AM: 7.15% AT: 14.3% This can and probably will be changed before the update. These were the YTF player pool creation values. There's 3 things i want to change today: Reduce the amount of very useless players (low 500s at 16yo) Tweak the skill distribution for the special positions WB,WI and AM Create sweepers (SW) They'll be less common than WB, WI and AMs and they will be defenders, only difference is their skills will make them more suited to be used as SW. Have you tweaked them already, Nuno? Cos I've run the script and got 10 normal players. Either it's my luck or.... Vadim Rumyantsev, RUS, 16y, DF, 82/77, 535, Normal Dawda Sanyang, GAM, 16y, DF, 77/100, 524, Normal Algirdas Mikuckis, LIT, 17y, WB, 62/60/88/78, 571, Normal Marcelo Celoria, ARG, DF, 16y 103/79, 568, Normal Saimir Curri, ALB, 16y, DF, 80/84, 557, Normal Patrick Ritchie, SCO, 17y, GK, 83/100/54/79, 602, Normal Eric Kennedy, USA, 17y, MF, 101/91, 575, Normal Sunday Allen, NIG, 16y, DF, 78/81, 559, Normal Joseph Ikwoche Chiemeze, NIG, 17y, MF, 99/85, 567, Normal Dae-Hee Jung, KOR, 16y, MF, 100/79, 592, Normal So here are my observations: I didn't get a single AT. I've seen your percentage spread and at first look, it seems reasonable, since AT gets less percentage due to the lesser need for them in a conventional 4-4-2 system. However, consider this. According to FG rules, a Winger is counted as a midfielder and a Wingback half a defender, and half a midfielder. So in fact, your percentages look something like this. GK: 7.15% DF positions: 32.175% MF positions: 46.475% AT positions: 14.3% That cannot be right can it? Out of ten chances, there's only 1.4 chance of getting an attacker, while you'll get a midfield player slightly less than half the time. If we add SW into the mix, the situation will be even more dire for strikers.

Author:	Nuno [ 12 Dec 2008, 14:25 ]
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Qriss wrote: Great answer Nuno i only got 1 worry: who will choose a wb? hardly anyone plays them (for the known reasons) will wb not disappear slowly? well... each club will receive 3 random players automatically. There will be no choice. 480 clubs means 1440 new players. This means about 100 new wingbacks will be created. Some will be bad, some will be average and some will be good. wingsbacks are one of my favorite types of players, they can be used as WB, DF, MF and sometimes SW. Their main skills for DF or MF may not be as high as those of a real DF or MF but all skills are used in all positions (their value depending on the position) and wingbacks have high tech and speed, which is important. When i played with SK Lyn, i was champion for the first time using 4 WBs in my lineup The wingbacks created on this system will be a bit better than the YTF ones, because we no longer have to split their training weeks.

Author:	Nuno [ 12 Dec 2008, 15:15 ]
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ok, fixed the WB, WI and AM. Added the SW. The SW will be much less common than WB, WI and AM. Here's the first example i got: Nation: Portugal Name: António Vítor Position: SW Age: 17 Kee: 7 Tck: 100 Mar: 88 Pos: 78 Pas: 31 Off: 21 Sho: 15 Inf: 60 Air: 58 Tec: 58 Spe: 68 Sta: 100 Total: 584 Type: Normal